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Football Daily | Manchester United, Aston Villa and the unseriousness of a 4-4 draw

Football Daily | Manchester United, Aston Villa and the unseriousness of a 4-4 draw

Precisely 13,266 games have been played since the inception of the Premier League, and 19 of those matches have finished 4-4 (0.1%), a rarity in a division dominated by the mighty 1-0 (17.6%). Without the need for intercontinental travel, perhaps other readers can now appreciate what it’s like to watch Arsenal win 1-0” – John Holtom.

Precisely 13,266 games have been played since the inception of the Premier League, and 19 of those matches have finished 4-4 (0.1%), a rarity in a division dominated by the mighty 1-0 (17.6%). It was about time we got one, though. The months of August and September, when teams are still fighting to define their top-flight seasons and fitness and motivation tend to be at their peak, have never seen a single 4-4 draw. As motivation decreases the chances of stupid scorelines increase, and that’s where the 4-4 creeps in. There’s a certain on-the-beachness inherent in the score, and it is no coincidence that it has occurred more in the second half of April, as thoughts drift to the close season and the ineffable pointlessness of a lot of late-campaign football becomes unavoidable, than in the entirety of any other month.

Though scoring four goals in a single game is quite encouraging, conceding four in the same one is suggestive of poor planning. Of the 22 clubs to have been involved in a Premier League 4-4, half are no longer in the Premier League at all. Only Manchester City in 2023-24 have played out a 4-4 draw and won the league in the same season, while six teams have recorded the scoreline and promptly gone down. It is an inherently unserious score, which duly attracts unserious teams. Manchester United, being as they were a very serious team for a long while after its creation, had won the Premier League 11 times before they were involved in one. When they drew 4-4 with Everton in late April (obviously) 2012 it was their first 4-4 draw since 1974. Sunday’s against Aston Villa was their second in a year.

The effect is obviously quite discombobulating. Fans at Old Trafford on Sunday, as United fell two goals down, recovered, fell two goals down again and recovered again, didn’t know whether to laugh, cry, boo, cheer, leave early or stay late and most chose a combination. “I thought we were by far the better team,” cooed Michael Carrick, the obviously nice guy currently being forced to find awkward ways of looking on the bright side in generally miserable post-match interviews. “They started, scored, then we played some very, very good football. We were the better team for large parts of the game. We’re making it difficult for ourselves with the goals we’re giving away.”

He may be on to something there. United have now conceded first in 80% of their home games this season, a figure only Crystal Palace, also the only team with fewer points than them, can match, and his team’s chances of success would probably improve if they stopped doing it. And then there’s Villa, new masters of this silly scoreline, the club who in 1995 were involved in the Premier League’s first ever 4-4 draw and have now also played in the most recent, in the process moving joint top of the all-time 4-4 charts. Inevitably the teams most likely to have secured many of these have tended to be both rubbish enough to go around drawing 4-4 and also not quite rubbish enough to also get relegated, bad enough to concede loads of goals yet also good enough to score quite a few. This does feel like prime Everton territory but it is Tottenham – who lead the all-time Premier League goal concession rankings – and Villa – still the only team to draw 4-4 twice in the same season, back in 2007-08 – who have more than anyone else. Their running tally of 4-4 draws? Why, 4-4, obviously.

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