Here's when and why Jimmy made that fateful decision in the Better Call Saul finale

Gould spoke to Talk AMC about "Saul Gone," the show's final episode, and explained exactly when Jimmy's cocky request for mint ice cream turned into a plan to find Kim at all costs. "I think you can see he really feels like Saul when he's negotiating his own sentence," Gould says of the scene, calling the version of Jimmy we see coming to the negotiation table a "hard-to-talk negotiator. cook and manipulator". ."

Gould makes a point in this scene, in which Jimmy convincingly tells Marie Schrader (Betsy Brandt) a version of events that positions him as a frightened and innocent victim of Walter White. After putting on a fantastically thorough performance, Jimmy makes it clear that he's right after jury sympathy, falling back into his arrogant flaw in a way that's incredibly alienating to Marie and viewers watching the show. It's a truly disgusting moment, which Gould calls "as bad as we've ever seen".

But once Jimmy gets what he wants - the business of his life and a comfortable place to live out his pain - he receives information that instantly disgusts him. "At the end of that sequence, he finds out that Kim has surrendered," Gould says, "and I think his whole sense of victory over the system turns to ash in his mouth at that point." Compared to Kim's no-nonsense honesty, her scheme suddenly makes him feel empty inside. "He feels empty because he knows in his heart he could do better," Gould shares.